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Old 06-30-2007, 05:33 PM   #1
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I just bought my '08 KLR650 (blue) with 1 mile on it. it now has 35. the recomended break-in is under 4000rpm for the 1st 500 miles,then under 6000 rpm untill 1000miles. Some one told me to "baby' it for 100 miles, then ride it like you normally would, or i'll end up with a junk bike. I'm planning to do the recomended by the dealership method. any comments?
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Old 06-30-2007, 06:05 PM   #2
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OH BOY!!! HERE WE GO AGAIN
Well you are sure to hear about the Motoman method. Which I don't use(the full method anyway) and never have so I can't say how new motors respond to it. But many swear by it. (including Motoman!)
Me I run the Motoman lite method and never get my engine over 5000 rpms with some engine braking involved after hitting the 5 mark. Vary my speed a lot run the backroads, climb a few hills, don't run it really hard, changing the factory oil out and filter within 100 miles. (yes synthetic) Again about 300 and as I get up to 500 miles I'll run it up regularly to about 6000 if i feel the urge. Never had an oil burner yet doing it this way.
Bottom line IMO read and decide what you want to do based on your own judgement. It's your bike and your money. I do what I feel is right and that's sort of a combo of what Kawasaki says and with enough RPM and engine braking and a little higher than recommended RPM thrown in to help get everything worn in smoothly.

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Old 06-30-2007, 11:31 PM   #4
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ride it easy for 3 minutes to get he motor warm, then ride it like you stole it.
Rev the crap out of it, full throttle acceleration bursts.
Vary the revs a lot at first to.
Repeat the cycle at least 3 times, letting it cool off in between.

Then change the oil, and its good to go...
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crazyink..

I really believe that you believe that way is a valid way to break in a new bike. I honestly can't bring myself to do that tho. I seriously think that the under 4k for 500m & 6k for 1000m seems a lot more logical.

I also don't think that an oil change every week is logical either. People I've spoken to about this think it's just a waste of oil.

Good luck with your bike.

I won't be following that "ride it like you stole it" advice.
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Old 07-01-2007, 05:14 AM   #7
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Nothing wrong with changing the oil and filter early and another couple of oil changes before it hits 1000 miles. After that do what you feel is best. If you don't agree fine but just check out your filter and when you see all those little sliver and blue (yes blue for some reason) specks lining its pleats you will be glad to get the oil and filter out early.
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Nothing wrong with changing the oil and filter early and another couple of oil changes before it hits 1000 miles. After that do what you feel is best. If you don't agree fine but just check out your filter and when you see all those little sliver and blue (yes blue for some reason) specks lining its pleats you will be glad to get the oil and filter out early.

The filter is just doing its job, I agree with the first change then I go onto a normal schedule, Most bikes are shipped with oil to meet the coldest of climates. same goes for most internal combustion power items,
and ride it like you stole it is just a stupid saying, but I agree with dont baby it, Proper warm up and ride, stay off the rev limiter,

I built a 1400 HP twin turbo, race engine for a marathon race, took a few months building it in a clean room, break in on dyno. All to have it break a rod bolt and crack a piston top when a faulty waste gate failed on one of the turbos two days and half way around the world before the start of the race. Rebuilt the engine in a barn over night next to pigs, cows, and sheep. Fired the engine up the morning of the race, and took the green flag. When I got home, I dynoed the engine after 500 miles of 100% racing, and it produced 140 more horsepower than the original engine, built in the clean room. that's my experience.





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Old 07-01-2007, 07:15 AM   #9
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I have been reading a lot about breaking in lately and the one thing I am noticing is that %99 of people that build motors are saying the Ride it like you stole it method with a very early oil change is the way to go. I am going to use that method but I have put a lot of research into because of my personality and riding style thatís what I really want to do anyway. So I had to make sure I wasnít doing it just because thatís how I want to ride.

For the record I have used this before on a YZF but cant really tell if it worked or not because I wrote the bike off at 25 000 km (speeding, high side , my bike took out my friends bike, YZF caught fire , I went into oncoming traffic, kombi van hit me, walked away and got drunk because it wasnít insured, lol the joys of being young )

But back to the subject at hand. Yep I agree that giving a brand new motor a hard time from the get go does go against what you may feel is right, and the grown up part of your mind is telling you that what the manufacturer says to do is right. But you have to consider is that the same part of your brain that tells you to back off the gas when your mid corner and running wide?

I used to sell new Toyotas and never ever was run in even thought on or mentioned, not by marketing or the grease covered mechanicís I had lunch with everyday. I have also spoken to the service manager of the dealership where I am getting my bike from (great guys BTW they even let me serve some customers the other day ) and he also says ride it like you normally would (these guys know me so like you normally would is talking about how I ride, not a sane person) and change the oil yourself early. Just donít sit on the highway flat out for hours till she has about 1000k on, just to be safe.

This is indeed one of those rare occasions when the testosterone and the experts agree. These are happy days my friendís

But at the end of the day itís your choice and your bike. I am not trying to tell you what to do because youíre a guy just like me who has weighed up the options and made a decision.

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Old 07-01-2007, 08:44 AM   #10
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You have to wonder why a company that is going to have to stand behind a new bike if it fails would tell you to keep the rpms down. I don't buy the "It's because they are afraid you will get hurt" stuff at all. After all they don't have to tell you anything. And not all people that build motors say to run them up into high rpms either. There's at least one big twin high horsepower engine builder, I've found and linked here that says exactly what the bike companies do.
I know for fact cars/trucks and SUVs do just fine with no breaking in other than a little vary the speed for the first 1000 miles. I've driven way too many with no break in other than that and had them do just fine to even listen to somebody telling me they need revved up and engine braked while doing the first miles. I do tend to use a small amount of slightly higher rpms and engine braking with a new bike. Not a lot and I've had no problems. In fact I'm very happy with the way my new bikes run and last. So it works for me why change it?
As for these high horsepower motors and the people that race them, I don't doubt that a hard break in and might pay off for speed. It doesn't concern me and how I break my new bike I plan to ride not so hard many, many miles.
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Old 07-01-2007, 09:17 AM   #11
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Yeah I dont know why they would say that either, but this is a big ol can o worms isnt it But you know what I really do think that at the end of the day it dosent really matter how you do it, I havent seen any evidence of a motor that was sensibly used from new haveing problems with a bad break in. but then it would be justabout impossible to say that a problem was caused due to bad break in wouldnt it
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Old 07-01-2007, 09:40 AM   #12
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The Kawa "recommended break in" is a bunch of BS, the same for every bike they sell no matter if it has 1 cylinder or 6, 1 horse power or 100. The Kawa method has absolutely nothing to do with the engine, or the well being/longevity of it.

Just ride the damn bike and change the oil a few times in the first 1000 miles.

There is no need to even look at the tach unless you just like watching it.

The weak ring problem the KLR has always had was supposed to have been fixed on the '08, so any kind of "special" break in isn't required at all for the new bikes.

I do however tend to side with the motoman way over the "baby it" method from my experience with tearing down and building engines.

In reality you can take a brand new engine, be it a 651cc KLR powerplant or any other close tolerance "modern engine", and run it at or near redline for at least a few hundred hours (just like when the manufacturer tests them), and it will not hurt a thing as long as the oil holds up.


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Rebuilt the engine in a barn over night next to pigs, cows, and sheep. Fired the engine up the morning of the race, and took the green flag. When I got home, I dynoed the engine after 500 miles of 100% racing, and it produced 140 more horsepower than the original engine, built in the clean room. that's my experience.
Pretty neat how that works out huh?

I'll bet if you woulda thrown a little more pig chit in it, it woulda made at least another 100.


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Old 07-01-2007, 10:11 AM   #14
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That tale of the motor built with extra care in a clean shop and being crap and the one built in the barn being great, I've heard since I was a kid.
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have to agree with firemedicntx. Kawasaki's recommendation is generic at best. But "run it like you stole it" is also generic at best though too. Hard break-in is something that quickly sets the rings but doesn't consider other parts that may or may not need more time. Racers for years have used it because it sets the rings fast and because racers did it, it must the way to go, LOL. When I roadraced 125 and 250 rs honda's, on a fresh piston and ring you could see the mph step up at the end of the straight away each lap as the ring took a set. Once the bike peaked on the mph you knew the ring was set. Worked good and gave best mph for the race. That was bottom line. But the next rebuild often revealed streaking and scuffing on the piston from the hard break, something that was acceptable in racing as they were getting changed anyway. Loss of 2-3mph at the end of the straight wouldn't have been acceptable.
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crazyink..

I really believe that you believe that way is a valid way to break in a new bike. I honestly can't bring myself to do that tho. I seriously think that the under 4k for 500m & 6k for 1000m seems a lot more logical.

I also don't think that an oil change every week is logical either. People I've spoken to about this think it's just a waste of oil.

Good luck with your bike.

I won't be following that "ride it like you stole it" advice.

Mine runs great, and that is how I broke it in.
Then I changed the oil at 71 kms ( about 45 miles) and rode it like normal since.

Its a damn sweet bike for sure
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That tale of the motor built with extra care in a clean shop and being crap and the one built in the barn being great, I've heard since I was a kid.
LOL Steve, who said the motor built in my clean room that made 1426 BHP was Crap, you can hardly call a 600 cubic inch twin turbo big block turning 6500 rpm Crap, LOL

Now don't quote me on this, Its total hear say, I was told by a reliable person who worked for Honda, that all HONDA motorcycle engines go on a "go no go" dyno prior to installation, I was told that they are hooked up and ran through several tests, and on being a wide open run and revlimiter test, and if the dyno shines green she continues down the line. so much for a easy break in, I wonder what the grean light is set at on my CRF450R?

I don't agree with the ride it like you stole it idea either, I am some where in the upper middle, And to change your oil a few times before 1000 miles is a wast of precious oil that seems to cost more every day, Let the filter do it's job, I change mine once to get the correct viscosity, then go to a normal schedual.

And further more I own a rental company, we rent everything from heavy equipment to Motorcycles, have you ever seen a rental customer , "TAKE IT EASY" on a new rental item, now comes the theory "ride it like its a RENTAL" LOL

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don't care about what everybody are saying (mainly motoman). I'll do my break-in according with kawasaki method. (<4k rpm til 500 miles , <6krpm til 1000miles ans varying speed). I trust kawi. they built the engine for godsake.....anyway, I broke-in my klr2001 like this and I sold it after 18000 miles and it was not burning oil and performance was still very good. Think twice before listening to every charlatan. I put my trust in Kawasaki.... and it paid.
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And further more I own a rental company, we rent everything from heavy equipment to Motorcycles, have you ever seen a rental customer , "TAKE IT EASY" on a new rental item, now comes the theory "ride it like its a RENTAL" LOL

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