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Old 02-02-2008, 06:52 AM   #1
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Day 1. First stop: Bucyrus, KS. Al came by about an hour before he said he would. Bt 8:30 we were loaded and rolling. After picking up Craig in in Red Wing, we got on I35 and headed south. By late afternoon, six Minnesotans in two vans had reached Richard's house in the southern exurbs of Kansas City in time for some beer, pinball and pool before supper. After eating, we helped Richard make final preparations to his KLRs, one for him and one for his son Brian.

Hoping for an early start, I was up at five, but I am the only one out of bed. No pics yet. I just wanted to get this thread rolling.
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Old 02-02-2008, 07:48 AM   #2
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Sweet! Have a good, safe trip. Soak up some rays for me!

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Old 02-03-2008, 01:47 AM   #3
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Saturday, Feb 2, day 2. We got to Presidio about midnight after getting on the road at 6:30. Marty, Chuck and John C. are yet to arrive, along with Richard and his son Brian, whom we picked up in Kansas. Andrew, CJ and Katie are already here; they left Milwaukee on Thursday. They retired for the night before our arrival, but left a couple of beers for us on the rack of CJ's bike. We took a few moments to gawk at the new tanks CJ put on his 950 Adventure. Still no pics, but I'm sure I will get some of this bike.

There is not much to relate about the trip except that Al kept us entertained for most of the trip wit what I will call the "Mathwig Monologue". It's not quite that, but a minimum of active listening is all it takes to unleash his bottomless fund of stories.
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Hey, where was my invitation?
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Hey, where was my invitation?

He said, "Marty has yet to arrive." What are you waiting for?
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Apparently there was some mix-up. He invited the wrong Marty.
It's not too late Marty, get going!
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Old 02-06-2008, 11:42 AM   #7
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Lessee, It´s Wednesday, and we are in Creel. After a night in Chihuahua, we rode to Nonoava via San Francisco de Borja. The first part of the ride we did last year, fun twisty pavement. Then we rode about 60 miles of dirt mountain road.
Nonoava is a cow town without tourist traffic. Just one small hotel, but they took good care of us and put on a pretty good dinner of chuletas. The local judge came out to talk to us. The dueña had fetched him to help translate when she thought we were ordering way too much to eat. Felipe stayed for dinner and a few beers, too.
Yesterday´s ride was a lot of fun, but long and hard, about 110 miles, most of it steep and rocky. Marty (the other Marty) Was already in creel when we arrived. He´s moving a little slower on his 150cc Diamo scooter. CJ and Katie were there after a visit to Basaseachi Falls.

The next day, we rode down to Batopilas, about 40 miles of pavement, followed by about 40 miles of canyon road. On the way to the turn-off, we passed a 90s-vintage Benz diesel sedan with OK plates that had hit a rock in the road. The driver was very courteous to us as he waved us by.

At the turn-off, we stopped for a sandwich at the tienda while waited for Richard and Bryon to catch up. It was Bryon's first trip, so he was taking pics at every opportunity. While we wait, the big Benz pulls up. the driver climbs out, a 60-something in bibs with a shaved head. Naturally, his wife calls him "Curly". Curly and his bride embark on a rant about magnesium oil pans and the rocky road to Bato. "Anybody ready for a slug of Yukon?" asks Curly as he opens the trunk. Out comes a liter and a half; Curly tips it back and takes three big glugs. The big guy riding shotgun declines, as does Curly's wife. We take a pass as well. The long yellow sedan looks to be riding kind of low for the conditions as he noses up the road. Half an hour later, Curly's party is only a couple of klicks up the road as we overtake them at the construction at Basigochi.
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Lessee, It´s Wednesday, and we are in Creel. After a night in Chihuahua, we rode to Nonoava via San Francisco de Borja. The first part of the ride we did last year, fun twisty pavement. Then we rode about 60 miles of dirt mountain road.
Nonoava is a cow town without tourist traffic. Just one small hotel, but they took goon care of us and put on a pretty good dinner of chuletas. The local judge came out to talk to us. Had dinner and a few beers, too.
Yesterday´s ride was a lot of fun, but long and hard, about 110 miles, most of it steep and rocky. Marty (the other Marty) Was already in creel when we arrived. He´s moving a little slower on his 150cc Diamo scooter. CJ and Katie were there after a visit to Basaseachi Falls.
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Hope you are having a great trip.
Have you heard about any trouble outside El Fuerte?
A friend and I are planning a trip to the greater Creel area at the end of the month. While on the phone ordering a couple of goodies from Dual Star he was informed five of their friends, along with several others down there six days ago were escorted out of the canyon at gun point. They were not military.
Looks like there may be some territorial disputes going on.
Of course we're still going, but will be asking questions along the way and may avoid that general area.
I wouldn't doubt if the military is already there or on the way. The Mexican gov't no doubt doesn't want to scare off tourists in this ever increasingly popular region.
I should add that no one was hurt nor had a gun stuck in their face, just escorted from several feet/yards away for some distance out of the area.
Just thought you should be aware.
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Old 02-09-2008, 06:01 PM   #10
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Nothing of that kind has occurred to us. A few nights ago, there was a big gunfight in Bato before we got down there. Federales apparently had a fugitive holed up in a house, and shot the **** out of it. The street was blocked when we got to town, but the next day ou could go by and see the pockmarks in the cement walls. There were .223 casings all over the place. A gu from removed was camped in his rv at the end of the block. He said it was pretty scary.

I don´t know what canyon you might be talking about. El Fuerte is out of the canyons, so it could be Chinipas canyon, urique canon, batopilas canyon, or one of the others. I have heaard that the route from Creel to El Fuerte has some nasty people along it, although ur group has never encountered trouble there.

Not long after arriving in Bato, we gathered in the Zaguan bar for a few beers overlooking the river. We redded up the beer with Clamato, and Coons provided hors d'oeuvres in the form of a couple of bushels of cheeze puffs. Much merriment ensued, and continued for a couple of days as each of us gradually discovered all of the cheeze puffs John had secreted in our gear, thinking perhaps that he would need some unwitting mules (as well as deniability) to help him smuggle all those savory snacks into the USA.

The Mexicans in the bar were intrigued by Richard, who cuts an imposing figure, somewhere north of 300 lb. One guy bet Andrew he could carry Richard across the courtyard and back. He collapsed after three steps, but Richard had no trouble carrying him. Dinner that night was Chile Rellenos on the front porch of the lady by the upper square. Turns out that the guy who Welshed on his bet (please forgive the ethnic slur, but I can say it) with Andrew was her husband.

Two days ago. we did the loop from Bato to Mineral Polanco and back through Sateevo. On the way back to town we had to go past the Puente Colgante, which meant several jarras of michelada rojo, beer, clamato and spices, before dinner. Outside the bar, we ran into Curly, his bride and Man Mountain Mike. They were looking for someone with a flatbed to haul their car out of the canyon. Their trip down had lasted all day, bringing them into Bato well after dark.

Yesterday, we rode over the spine, crossed the Urique river and rode to El Fuerte, one of my favorite towns. We are going over to Sinforosa Canyon tomorrow, on a loop that will take four days to get us back to Creel.
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judjonzz, if you are in creel I have some amigos that live there, if you need somting call me o @ me.
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Old 02-12-2008, 04:03 PM   #12
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Thanks, Vic. It looks like I will not be going back through Creel. 3 days ago, we were all suited up and ready to light out for Sinforosa Canyon via Tamblon, Baborigame, and Guachochi, when my bike started acting up, would barely start and missed like crazy. Rather than hold up the other guys, or ride into BFE with a dodgy bike, I decided to ride up the coast and back to Chihuahua with Marty, who got his scooter TO THE sEA OF cORTEZ, AND NOW WANTS AN EASIER RIDE BACK. Sorry about the caps, strange keyboard. We just got back to Chihuahua after overnight stops in Obregon and Cuauhtemoc.

The problem with the bike I have tentatively diagnosed as a sticky float or needle. I.ll see to it in the next couple of days. I have mixed feelings about missing this ride to Sinforosa. It should be really cool, but my riding has really sucked the past week, just can´t seem to get loose on the bike and ride with any rhythm. It´s really important to be able to ride relaxed and efficiently, as every day in these mountains is really taxing under the best of circumstances. I guess you could say I wimped out; I was ready to go ahead and try to get loose, but I didnt want to deal with a wonky bike on top of it all.¨

In any case, there are no bad rides down here. The ride across hwy 16 was beautiful. Yesterday, just west of Yecora, we stopped for lunch at a mountain restaurant. It was still a.m., so we ordered breakfast instead. I got the best chilaquiles I have encountered, a pot of bubbling beans, and a bowl full of big chunks of this incredible spongy cheese, mild-flavored, but with an undertone and aroma of barnyard funk. If you are repelled by the odor of manure, this cheese might have turned you off, but it was fabulous, and definitely did not come from some metropolitan creamery.

Last night in Cuauhtemoc, we got cebollitas with our tacos, and ordered another plate of them, they were so good. They are pan-roasted small onions, just a bit bigger than the spring onions you usually find in the grocery store, but still young enough not to have big full grown bulbs. I only know of one place in the Cities that serves them, and this was the only place I have seen them in Mexico.

I can´t sign off without mentioning the incredible fish dinner we got in El Fuerte. The hotel owner went fishing on Saturday on one of the big reservoirs outside town. One of our party joined him and his two fishing buddies. Mark was unfamiliar with the bait-casting rigs they were using, but still managed to pull in five of the thirty black bass they caught. Mark had less Spanish than anyone else on the ride, but being a fisherman, he managed to get along pretty well with these good old boys. There were ten of us at dinner. Each of us had a whole fish al mojo de ajo, a filet (or two small ones), and a crack at more bass a la plancha, grilled, served on a wood platter, smothered with garlic and fried onions. The hotel is the Guerrero, and they would like to try to offer fresh fish every weekend, in case you are ever there. We promised el jefe that we would give the place a plug, so there you are.
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Cool Jud! Thanks for the writeups. Gotta try to cook some cebollitas. Sounds good.

Be careful and good luck with the bike.
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good to hear of you jud and that you are ok.
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Ummm, Did we forget the camera? Where`s the pictures?
I was talking to a co-worker the otherday and he is from Mexico. I was telling him about how I would like to go ride Copper Canyon. He had no idear what I was talking about? So, what`s the "spanish" name for Copper Canyon?
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Old 02-13-2008, 12:31 AM   #16
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I have been taking pictures all along, but am posting either from internet cafes, or tonight from the computer in my hotel lobby in Chihuahua. No pics until I get home, download them, and write up all the pithy details of my trip. In the meantime, go look at my earlier Moto Mutz reports on this board, removed.com and motomutz.com.
Today, Marty and I rode over to Chihuahua from Cuauhtemoc, but decided to take the long way round. We rode north a long way through the Mennonite campos, stopping for coffee in one of them where the kids talked excellent English and sounded like american teenagers. They told us they had grown up on this campo, and never been anywhere else, but we didn´t get the whole story on why their English was so good.
Once in Chihuahua, we hiked around a bit, and stopped into the Zeppelin, a sleazy bar in the sleazy neighborhood of our hotel. Lili, the bartender, remembered us from previous years, so we hung there a little longer than we had planned, and ended up having 4 or 5 beers and some Cabrito.
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I haven´t really been able to see to the bike yet. I´ll take a look tomorrow. Pretty sure the float is sticking or there is swarf in it. If I leave the gas on for even a couple of minutes, the bike won´t restart unless I hold the throttle open, or sometimes have to drain the airbox.

BTW, the spanish name is Barranca de Cobre. There is really a system of six canyons, three of which get almost no traffic. Sinforosa Canyon is supposed to be one of the best.
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I was talking to a co-worker the otherday and he is from Mexico. I was telling him about how I would like to go ride Copper Canyon. He had no idear what I was talking about? So, what`s the "spanish" name for Copper Canyon?

Barrancas del Cobre en Chihuahua.
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I kids talked excellent English and sounded like american teenagers. They told us they had grown up on this campo, and never been everywhere else, but we didnīt get the whole story on why their English was so good
is lear from genetion and they speak german, the menonitas is a mix off inglish german and mexican they have stric rules of how they live.
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