Petition to Revise Ontario Street Racing Legislation - KLR650.NET - Your Kawasaki KLR650 Resource!

dvd_scott · 11-20-2009, 07:33 PM

http://www.petitiononline.com/civil013/petition.html

juames · 11-20-2009, 07:59 PM

I think the law should go further...if you want to race, go to the track!

blakers · 11-20-2009, 11:22 PM

i sold my sport bike to buy my KLR specifically to avoid the speedracing fines.

I wouldn't stop going fast, only the fear of the big fine, got me to do something about it.

Now that I am a proud KLR owner, I am glad I did.

Is the new law fair? Don't care. Unlike many changes that are tried to be made, this one seems to be working.

Hey, if you get caught doing 170 on the street, suck it up. You gambled and lost. Losing your wheels for 7 days is the least of your problems.

IMHO

Blakers

tat2 · 11-21-2009, 12:59 AM

I am not a fan of HTA 172 (formerly bill 203). Not for that fact that you are punished for doing what is covered by said law, it is for the way it is enacted. You are punished before your day in court, without recourse if you are proven not guilty. Cops are human and make mistakes too.

For those who do not know:
HTA 172
http://www.e-laws.gov.on.ca/html/sta...08_e.htm#BK245

What it covers (more than doing 50kph over the limit).
http://www.e-laws.gov.on.ca/html/reg...s_070455_e.htm

Conviction Rates artivle (June 2008)
From Said article:

Quote:

More than 5,000 drivers have been charged since the law took effect but according to statistics provided by the Ontario Ministry of the Attorney General to CBC News, the conviction rate is only about 33 per cent.

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/toronto/sto...et-racing.html

Lower court has ruled at least part of HTA 172 as "unconstituional"
http://toronto.ctv.ca/servlet/an/loc...TorontoNewHome

White Dog · 11-21-2009, 01:52 AM

I could not approve of HTA 172 more - I just wish it went further

I'm much more concerned with the rights of the traveling public in general than some POS street racer.

Dwight

pelvis_98 · 11-21-2009, 06:39 AM

This is not about street racing.

If someone is street racing and is caught, then sure, have huge fines, take away their car do what ever they see as fit.

This law takes away your right for due process in court. The cop on the side of the road is deciding your fate. You dont get a trial first, its what he says.

It is not just the guy doing 170km/h that is being charged with this. In my area a guy was charged going 150km/h on the 416. The driver told the cop he was not doing that fast and was able to show the cop by his GPS that he was not doing that fast. Doesn't matter. The cop says he was and his car was in pounded and he had to pay all fees with it.

His GPS showed he was doing 130km/h. Yes, i know that is still speeding, but he was not doing fast enough to be part of the speed racing law. He was also not doing fast enough to possible put him in financial ruins. Anyone here who says they have not done 120/130 on the 401 or 416 is lieing. I'm sure you didn't feel you were street racing either.

I am not condoning street racing and if convinced of street racing then fine, throw the book at them. But a lot of people who say this law does not go far enough have broken it. They were not street racing in their mind but were going fast enough to be charged with it.

Ever stood on your pegs? Thats "stunt riding" you fall under this law and your bike can be taken on the spot.

juames · 11-21-2009, 07:23 AM

I understand the 'the right of due process' comments...however I've chatted with a cop friend and they do not target the average joe...this law applies to young punks with tricked out Honda civics...they feel the need to prove thier manhood by putting peoples lives at risk every time they get behind the wheel! If you feel the need to prove you're a man...take you car to a track and race against people who know what they are doing, where no one will get hurt...

The innocent people they kill in accidents don't get their day in court either...

502MAD · 11-21-2009, 07:33 AM

I just wish the cops would crack down on the huge line of idiots that hover in the left lane, regardless of what speed they are doing or NOT DOING!!! Get the hell over!!!!

pelvis_98 · 11-21-2009, 07:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 502MAD

I just wish the cops would crack down on the huge line of idiots that hover in the left lane, regardless of what speed they are doing or NOT DOING!!! Get the hell over!!!!

Couldn't agree more.

willys · 11-21-2009, 08:43 AM

Hmmmm...??? Being an old fart now and occasionly slip 10 over the speed limit....I'm all for the crack down on ALL speeders.....the law is the law and that's that..sorry.
IMHO.....there is NO need for a car or bike to do the speeds they are capable of now a days ..period. Why do we need our vehicles to be capable of doubling if not tripling the top speed limit?
If you want to go that fast..pay the money and get on a track....it's way more fun than screaming down a flat road somewhere. I used to rally way back in the day....excellent fun and the skills needed to stay alive were high....one mistake and your life was in real danger! Now these ********s think they are the lastest movie character and go ripping and tearing around playing road racer or whatever and killing innocent people. What if it was your son or daughter that was one of the unlucky ones?? I bet you would be beating down the courtroom doors ready to hang the SOB who just killed your child...no???
SO..if you think you need to speed and rip and tear around.....don't whine about getting caught and your rights being jeoperdized(?)..IMHO!!! If you don't like it...don't speed and they won't ticket you will they!

Do I speed...sure...10 over usually...and I'm not complaining about the laws..I would have them tighter!!! You get 3 tickets...that's it..you loose your licience for a year!! next ticket 5 years! Now exceptions!

It used to be that way in England from what i remember....you made sure you weren't speeding where you knew better! Plus....bring back speed cameras! If you get a pic you get the ticket...you own the car....you let some ******** drive it...your responsibility IMHO...you pay for that stupidity...maybe next time you won't let that person drive your car!!

Speed cameras all the way!!! Fantastic way to generate some funds!!!! Better than increasing my land taxes every year!!!

Now...let the flaming begin!!

dvd_scott · 11-21-2009, 09:08 AM

Hey guys
The reason for this post was from personal experience and do not agree with being charged on the spot with out your day in court.

Here's what happened:
Myself and my brother were out riding around Ottawa about two months ago we were doing the speed limit when my brother stood on his pegs to adjust his pants (wedgie- we've all done it) out of nowhere on come the lights. We pull over the cop goes directly to my brothers bike and PULLS the key out of the ignition. Long story short my brother was charged with street racing and stunting, his bike was impounded and license taken on the spot. He is fighting it in court but his court date is not for another 3 months. In the mean time it cost him close to a thousand dollars for the bike between impound fees for a week and tow charges. And $2500 fine for stunting. Street racing was $5000. And suspended license. Not to mention I got a $200 fine because I got aggravated with the police officer because he wouldn't explain to us why he was being charged as well as a threat of being charged with street racing myself.

willys · 11-21-2009, 09:21 AM

Yes I feel your pain....but the majority of the people they go after aren't fit to be on the road....and yes we have all done the stand on the pegs to believe ourselves...do I agree with this part of it..no..but....the rest is perfect! IMHO!

If you have a good lawyer you should get all your expences back..hopefully!

Good luck.

dvd_scott · 11-21-2009, 09:45 AM

I forgot to mention my brother is 36 years old with a wife and 2 kids. The guy is a responsible driver/rider. He never had a speeding, parking ,or for that matter any type of ticket before this. This incident has caused a lot of grief for him and his family.

willys · 11-21-2009, 09:59 AM

Yes i feel your pain but the law is the law and it won't get changed..sorry.
If all this is brought up in court it will more than likely be fixed.....just get a good lawyer and pay for his services...it will be much less than what they are screwing him for!

I rolled through a stop sign a few years ago and got stung for it....yes my fault and nothing was coming. A very over zealous cop did his best to screw me......yep I still paid...but the points were reduced and some of the cost also. I also represented myself...if I had a lawyer I probably would have lost all the points but the cost of the ticket was minimal to start out with. BUT..in your brothers case...I would pay thousands to beat this ticket! Yes even if I had done nothing wrong!

I'm sure he was stnding on his feet for more than a few seconds it takes to adjust the boys for a cop to burn him this bad....but then again..I wasn't there! If that is all he was doing.....and it was just a few seconds...then that cop has issues or is just a prick and the judge will know of him by now.

Do I still agree with the law...sure ...stunting is designed to get the morrons off the street that ride on their rear wheel for miles and crash etc.....not for adjusting the boys.

dvd_scott · 11-21-2009, 10:40 AM

Totally agree with you willys i agree with the vast majority of this new law just not the judge, jury, and executioner power that the police have with the new legislation. I don't want the law axed just want it revised. I thought we were innocent til proven guilty in Canada not guilty til proven innocent. From what I understand my brothers lawyer said there is a good chance he will lose just because of the way the law is written. Oh well we'll see what happens.

On a side note
Hopefuly I won't have to worry about this next year when I get my KLR650

joys of owning a sport bike.

11-20-2009, 07:33 PM	#1
dvd_scott Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Ottawa, ON, Canada Posts: 47	Petition to Revise Ontario Street Racing Legislation http://www.petitiononline.com/civil013/petition.html

11-20-2009, 07:59 PM	#2
juames Don't Panic! Active Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Ottawa Posts: 258	Re: Petition to Revise Ontario Street Racing Legislation I think the law should go further...if you want to race, go to the track!

11-20-2009, 11:22 PM	#3
blakers A Regular Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Ontario Canada Posts: 149	Re: Petition to Revise Ontario Street Racing Legislation i sold my sport bike to buy my KLR specifically to avoid the speedracing fines. I wouldn't stop going fast, only the fear of the big fine, got me to do something about it. Now that I am a proud KLR owner, I am glad I did. Is the new law fair? Don't care. Unlike many changes that are tried to be made, this one seems to be working. Hey, if you get caught doing 170 on the street, suck it up. You gambled and lost. Losing your wheels for 7 days is the least of your problems. IMHO Blakers

11-21-2009, 01:52 AM	#5
White Dog A Regular Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 178	Re: Petition to Revise Ontario Street Racing Legislation I could not approve of HTA 172 more - I just wish it went further I'm much more concerned with the rights of the traveling public in general than some POS street racer. Dwight __________________ Current Bikes: 2008 Kawasaki KLR 685 (red) 1991 Kawasaki KLR 250 Past Bikes: 1981 Suzuki TS 250 1982 Suzuki SP 500 1986 Yamaha XT 600 1989 Yamaha XT 350 2001 Honda XL 650

11-21-2009, 06:39 AM	#6
pelvis_98 I Loves Doin’ Wheelies KLR Enthusiast Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Kemptville, Ontario Posts: 786	Re: Petition to Revise Ontario Street Racing Legislation This is not about street racing. If someone is street racing and is caught, then sure, have huge fines, take away their car do what ever they see as fit. This law takes away your right for due process in court. The cop on the side of the road is deciding your fate. You dont get a trial first, its what he says. It is not just the guy doing 170km/h that is being charged with this. In my area a guy was charged going 150km/h on the 416. The driver told the cop he was not doing that fast and was able to show the cop by his GPS that he was not doing that fast. Doesn't matter. The cop says he was and his car was in pounded and he had to pay all fees with it. His GPS showed he was doing 130km/h. Yes, i know that is still speeding, but he was not doing fast enough to be part of the speed racing law. He was also not doing fast enough to possible put him in financial ruins. Anyone here who says they have not done 120/130 on the 401 or 416 is lieing. I'm sure you didn't feel you were street racing either. I am not condoning street racing and if convinced of street racing then fine, throw the book at them. But a lot of people who say this law does not go far enough have broken it. They were not street racing in their mind but were going fast enough to be charged with it. Ever stood on your pegs? Thats "stunt riding" you fall under this law and your bike can be taken on the spot. Last edited by pelvis_98 : 11-21-2009 at 07:01 AM.

11-21-2009, 07:23 AM	#7
juames Don't Panic! Active Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Ottawa Posts: 258	Re: Petition to Revise Ontario Street Racing Legislation I understand the 'the right of due process' comments...however I've chatted with a cop friend and they do not target the average joe...this law applies to young punks with tricked out Honda civics...they feel the need to prove thier manhood by putting peoples lives at risk every time they get behind the wheel! If you feel the need to prove you're a man...take you car to a track and race against people who know what they are doing, where no one will get hurt... The innocent people they kill in accidents don't get their day in court either...

11-21-2009, 07:33 AM	#8
502MAD Active Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Whitby, Ontario Posts: 309	Re: Petition to Revise Ontario Street Racing Legislation I just wish the cops would crack down on the huge line of idiots that hover in the left lane, regardless of what speed they are doing or NOT DOING!!! Get the hell over!!!! __________________ Matt

11-21-2009, 08:43 AM	#10
willys Level 1 Moderator KLR Fanatic Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: selling my body for next adventure. Posts: 8,175	Re: Petition to Revise Ontario Street Racing Legislation Hmmmm...??? Being an old fart now and occasionly slip 10 over the speed limit....I'm all for the crack down on ALL speeders.....the law is the law and that's that..sorry. IMHO.....there is NO need for a car or bike to do the speeds they are capable of now a days ..period. Why do we need our vehicles to be capable of doubling if not tripling the top speed limit? If you want to go that fast..pay the money and get on a track....it's way more fun than screaming down a flat road somewhere. I used to rally way back in the day....excellent fun and the skills needed to stay alive were high....one mistake and your life was in real danger! Now these ******s think they are the lastest movie character and go ripping and tearing around playing road racer or whatever and killing innocent people. What if it was your son or daughter that was one of the unlucky ones?? I bet you would be beating down the courtroom doors ready to hang the SOB who just killed your child...no??? SO..if you think you need to speed and rip and tear around.....don't whine about getting caught and your rights being jeoperdized(?)..IMHO!!! If you don't like it...don't speed and they won't ticket you will they! Do I speed...sure...10 over usually...and I'm not complaining about the laws..I would have them tighter!!! You get 3 tickets...that's it..you loose your licience for a year!! next ticket 5 years! Now exceptions! It used to be that way in England from what i remember....you made sure you weren't speeding where you knew better! Plus....bring back speed cameras! If you get a pic you get the ticket...you own the car....you let some ****** drive it...your responsibility IMHO...you pay for that stupidity...maybe next time you won't let that person drive your car!! Speed cameras all the way!!! Fantastic way to generate some funds!!!! Better than increasing my land taxes every year!!! Now...let the flaming begin!! __________________ Willys 2004 KLR685,stageII 1952 Willys Overland Pick-up 2005 Toyota Echo A very understanding misses!!!! and a not so understanding 14 year old daughter!! R.I.P. KLRCary

11-21-2009, 09:08 AM	#11
dvd_scott Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Ottawa, ON, Canada Posts: 47	Re: Petition to Revise Ontario Street Racing Legislation Hey guys The reason for this post was from personal experience and do not agree with being charged on the spot with out your day in court. Here's what happened: Myself and my brother were out riding around Ottawa about two months ago we were doing the speed limit when my brother stood on his pegs to adjust his pants (wedgie- we've all done it) out of nowhere on come the lights. We pull over the cop goes directly to my brothers bike and PULLS the key out of the ignition. Long story short my brother was charged with street racing and stunting, his bike was impounded and license taken on the spot. He is fighting it in court but his court date is not for another 3 months. In the mean time it cost him close to a thousand dollars for the bike between impound fees for a week and tow charges. And $2500 fine for stunting. Street racing was $5000. And suspended license. Not to mention I got a $200 fine because I got aggravated with the police officer because he wouldn't explain to us why he was being charged as well as a threat of being charged with street racing myself. Last edited by dvd_scott : 11-21-2009 at 09:27 AM.

11-21-2009, 09:21 AM	#12
willys Level 1 Moderator KLR Fanatic Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: selling my body for next adventure. Posts: 8,175	Re: Petition to Revise Ontario Street Racing Legislation Yes I feel your pain....but the majority of the people they go after aren't fit to be on the road....and yes we have all done the stand on the pegs to believe ourselves...do I agree with this part of it..no..but....the rest is perfect! IMHO! If you have a good lawyer you should get all your expences back..hopefully! Good luck. __________________ Willys 2004 KLR685,stageII 1952 Willys Overland Pick-up 2005 Toyota Echo A very understanding misses!!!! and a not so understanding 14 year old daughter!! R.I.P. KLRCary

11-21-2009, 09:45 AM	#13
dvd_scott Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Ottawa, ON, Canada Posts: 47	Re: Petition to Revise Ontario Street Racing Legislation I forgot to mention my brother is 36 years old with a wife and 2 kids. The guy is a responsible driver/rider. He never had a speeding, parking ,or for that matter any type of ticket before this. This incident has caused a lot of grief for him and his family.

11-21-2009, 09:59 AM	#14
willys Level 1 Moderator KLR Fanatic Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: selling my body for next adventure. Posts: 8,175	Re: Petition to Revise Ontario Street Racing Legislation Yes i feel your pain but the law is the law and it won't get changed..sorry. If all this is brought up in court it will more than likely be fixed.....just get a good lawyer and pay for his services...it will be much less than what they are screwing him for! I rolled through a stop sign a few years ago and got stung for it....yes my fault and nothing was coming. A very over zealous cop did his best to screw me......yep I still paid...but the points were reduced and some of the cost also. I also represented myself...if I had a lawyer I probably would have lost all the points but the cost of the ticket was minimal to start out with. BUT..in your brothers case...I would pay thousands to beat this ticket! Yes even if I had done nothing wrong! I'm sure he was stnding on his feet for more than a few seconds it takes to adjust the boys for a cop to burn him this bad....but then again..I wasn't there! If that is all he was doing.....and it was just a few seconds...then that cop has issues or is just a prick and the judge will know of him by now. Do I still agree with the law...sure ...stunting is designed to get the morrons off the street that ride on their rear wheel for miles and crash etc.....not for adjusting the boys. __________________ Willys 2004 KLR685,stageII 1952 Willys Overland Pick-up 2005 Toyota Echo A very understanding misses!!!! and a not so understanding 14 year old daughter!! R.I.P. KLRCary

11-21-2009, 10:40 AM	#15
dvd_scott Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Ottawa, ON, Canada Posts: 47	Re: Petition to Revise Ontario Street Racing Legislation Totally agree with you willys i agree with the vast majority of this new law just not the judge, jury, and executioner power that the police have with the new legislation. I don't want the law axed just want it revised. I thought we were innocent til proven guilty in Canada not guilty til proven innocent. From what I understand my brothers lawyer said there is a good chance he will lose just because of the way the law is written. Oh well we'll see what happens. On a side note Hopefuly I won't have to worry about this next year when I get my KLR650joys of owning a sport bike.

Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Email this Page
Display Modes
Linear Mode Switch to Hybrid Mode Switch to Threaded Mode