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Old 07-08-2009, 08:54 AM   #1
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Default Valve Shim Swap ?

Don't know if its ever been mentioned here ?
After doing my valves I have shims I won't be using anymore .
Had to pay full list price for new at a local dealer to do the job . Noticed after I got home one was used !
So now that I'm done I have a couple that I could swap next time the valves are done , postage and good packaging would be less expensive than list for used !
What do ya think ?
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Old 07-08-2009, 09:06 AM   #2
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Default Re: Valve Shim Swap ?

OK..I have stuck this thread so it will stay at the top so all can contribute to it. Great idea!

Now if everyone can list what shims they have we'll be in business.

All of mine are 265 and 260 I believe.
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Old 07-08-2009, 01:29 PM   #3
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I have a 255 and a 265 laying around.
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Old 07-08-2009, 08:57 PM   #4
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Looks like another 255 & 265 is what I've have left over .
I was able to shift the shims around in my valve shim job from exaust to intake to fit my needs .
Thanks willys for the interest!
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Old 07-29-2009, 01:41 PM   #5
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This is a great idea. However, just a thought.

Check with your dealer's service dept. They may swap shims with you at no cost. Mine does.

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Old 08-03-2009, 09:21 AM   #6
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Check with your dealer's service dept. They may swap shims with you at no cost. Mine does.
can i mail you my thick shims and have you swap them for something thinner? my Kawi dealer doesn't do that, but the BMW dealer has shims for about $3.50 so i get them there.
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Old 08-03-2009, 09:40 AM   #7
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can i mail you my thick shims and have you swap them for something thinner? my Kawi dealer doesn't do that, but the BMW dealer has shims for about $3.50 so i get them there.
To clarify and expand, my local Yamaha dealer will swap shims with me (25 mm) for my other bike. They are not a Kawa dealer and don't know if any of the Yama's take the 29 mm shims. Haven't done my valves yet on the KLR. It's too bad the KLR doesn't take 25mm shims since I just bought a full shim kit for my Yami.

I will stop by my local Kawa dealer this week and see if they will swap shims.

For $3.50 a shim at your BMW joint, that is a pretty good deal and would probably be cheaper than messing with shipping et al.

I'll let you know about my Kawa dealer swapping.

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Old 08-03-2009, 11:08 AM   #8
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...don't know if any of the Yama's take the 29 mm shims.
the FAQ says the '82 Yamaha Seca 750 uses the same shims. don't know if that's the only year, but they only list one year of BMW as fitting, when it's many (all) years of the K bikes that fit. sooo, ALL the Yamaha Secas of any year may have the same shims... don't thnk those are exactly common anymore, so there's no telling exactly what they have in stock unless you ask.

and i was kinda kidding about a mail in shim swap program.
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Old 08-03-2009, 05:33 PM   #9
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I recently done my valves so after reading all about how the BMW K series shims are the same I rode to OrlandoBMW Part numbers and sizes in hand only to be told by their Parts SPECIALIST!!! That these are not 29mm but 28.5mm?? So ended up buying a set from MOAB!
Me Thinks maybe the guy at BMW had issues about their parts going on my KLR!
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Old 08-06-2009, 11:05 AM   #10
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...told by their Parts SPECIALIST!!! That these are not 29mm but 28.5mm??

Me Thinks maybe the guy at BMW had issues about their parts going on my KLR!
uhhh, they're 29mm. puting a caliper on one would have verified that.

i've ordered shims from Fred before, but not any more. his price is steeper than the local BMW dealers, and then add shipping and his selling the cloned stuff from dot-com.
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Old 08-08-2009, 07:06 PM   #11
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I know this isn't pertaining to swapping shims, but has anyone here ever set the clearance by grinding the shims(underside) on a precision surface grinder ? I don't see where it would be problem , since most of your adjustments will be opening the clearances instead of closing them . Just a thought . Let me know what you think .
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Old 08-12-2009, 08:35 AM   #12
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uhhh, they're 29mm. puting a caliper on one would have verified that.

i've ordered shims from Fred before, but not any more. his price is steeper than the local BMW dealers, and then add shipping and his selling the cloned stuff from dot-com.

I've seen a lot on here about getting parts from Fred, but I have not found out exactly how to order stuff from him. I've checked every dealership in my area and no one carrys spare valve shims for sale. Fixer, could you fill me in on how to go about ordering shims from him? Or once I measure the sizes, maybe someone here has two (or 4, we'll see) they could sell me. Thanks.
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Old 08-12-2009, 07:48 PM   #13
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I've seen a lot on here about getting parts from Fred, but I have not found out exactly how to order stuff from him. I've checked every dealership in my area and no one carrys spare valve shims for sale. Fixer, could you fill me in on how to go about ordering shims from him? Or once I measure the sizes, maybe someone here has two (or 4, we'll see) they could sell me. Thanks.

You really need to know what you need first , if you don't just go and buy a pile of them to have on hand. The shims I have seen used most range from 240 - 275 . The BMW "K" motor shims will work. They are 29mm like the KLR shims, and cheaper . I have been grinding the underside of mine to get the correct clearances when I don't have the proper size . Works fine .
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Old 08-17-2009, 01:52 PM   #14
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Default Re: Valve Shim Swap ?

Checked with Freds site and it looks like they'll be out for most of the week. I know this is a popular size, but would anyone happen to have two 250 shims? If not no biggie, I'll just wait. I'm starting to get the shakes from not riding.
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Old 08-23-2009, 01:15 AM   #15
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I just paid $5.35 per shim from Kawasaki and I see that they are $3.50 from BMW? Who woulda thunk?
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Old 08-28-2009, 08:06 PM   #16
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I just picked up a bunch of shims from BMW (K100). They were about 5CAD including taxes each.

They look to be the right diameter however they are very "dirty"...

I have old and new Kawi shims and they are smooth, clean and slide easily when rubbed together.

These BMW shims look used and are very sticky...when I press them together with my fingers, they are REALLY hard to seperate. They are also black.

Beware!
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Old 09-01-2009, 07:33 PM   #17
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I know this isn't pertaining to swapping shims, but has anyone here ever set the clearance by grinding the shims(underside) on a precision surface grinder ? I don't see where it would be problem , since most of your adjustments will be opening the clearances instead of closing them . Just a thought . Let me know what you think .

Should work just fine except I don't have a surface grinder no more.
I would grind off the side with the number, though. That way you have to measure it with a micrometer and someone won't think it is thicker than it is.
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Old 09-01-2009, 10:36 PM   #18
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Should work just fine except I don't have a surface grinder no more.
I would grind off the side with the number, though. That way you have to measure it with a micrometer and someone won't think it is thicker than it is.

Good call. That's the side you want to grind off of, for two reasons. The number reason you stated and the fact that you will be grinding off the case hardening of the shim steel so you would want to keep the original wear surface intact. It's been a lot easier than trying to find the shims I need.
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Old 09-18-2009, 10:13 PM   #19
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I just picked up a bunch of shims from BMW (K100). They were about 5CAD including taxes each.

They look to be the right diameter however they are very "dirty"...

I have old and new Kawi shims and they are smooth, clean and slide easily when rubbed together.

These BMW shims look used and are very sticky...when I press them together with my fingers, they are REALLY hard to seperate. They are also black.

Beware!
Is it a shipping coating? Did you try to clean them? I don't like paying $14.00 for Kawi shims!!
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Old 09-19-2009, 01:14 PM   #20
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UPDATE

I took some coarse steel wool to the non-number side of my ugly BMW shims, and now they are very shiny ugly shims. Well most of them.

They aren't sticky anymore but still look terrible and BLACK...really dark.

I'm going to engrave the sizes into the shims, file off any resulting burrs, and steel wool them.

I think they'll be fine....maybe that's why they're so cheap.
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