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Old 06-12-2010, 04:55 AM   #81
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I had to buy another Gal of Rotella, I could not find the Mobile1 15w-50 anywhere locally.
When I was breaking in my 09 I only filled with 2.5qt.s thinking the xtra 4oz. needed for
2.5liters would not make that much difference, I have having to keep an extra qt. around
to make up my next change.
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Old 06-15-2010, 01:16 AM   #82
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Personally I think this is all backwards. The manufacturer put the sight glass in that particular position to mark the proper level of oil the engine should have. When they recommend 2.5l they are giving a general suggestion on the amount of oil that might be needed to fill the engine but the sight glass is what you should be going by. If you put 2.5l in the engine and it was below the sight glass would you just assume it's ok because you went by what the manual suggests? Of course not and you shouldn't be doing that on the other end of the spectrum either.

My point? Always go by the sight glass or dipstick, not the suggestions in the manual.
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stay with Mobil 1, 15w-50...
Wyman,

Great pictures and really good information. Thank you!

I am new to this forum and a fairly new owner of the KLR 650.

I have used Mobil 1 Racing 4T 10w-40 oil in my other bikes.
I see that you obviously recommend the Mobil 1, 15w-50 oil.

When I take your recommendation (and I plan to), I will be
saving at least $2 - $4 per quart of oil. I will also get a wider
range in protection - 10w-40 vs 15w-50.

Is there any downside to using "plain old automotive" Mobil 1?

Not trying to be a funny, just trying to learn.

Thanks again for all the good info.

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Old 06-17-2010, 12:34 PM   #84
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Is there any downside to using "plain old automotive" Mobil 1?
if there is a downside, i have yet to see it in over 32,000 miles...original clutch too...

in the KLR685, i change the oil every 2500 miles and filter every 5k...and is uses ZERO oil...

BTW...i buy my Mobil 1, 15w-50 at Wally World for about $26/5qts...

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Old 06-17-2010, 02:37 PM   #85
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if there is a downside, i have yet to see it in over 32,000 miles...original clutch too...

in the KLR685, i change the oil every 2500 miles and filter every 5k...and is uses ZERO oil...

BTW...i buy my Mobil 1, 15w-50 at Wally World for about $26/5qts...

wyman

Wyman,

Hmmm...32,000 miles? Approximately $5.00 a quart vs. $9.00 a quart for
4T Motorcycle Oil? Sounds like a winner to me!

Thanks for the information and advice.

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Old 06-17-2010, 02:55 PM   #86
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if there is a downside, i have yet to see it in over 32,000 miles...original clutch too...
I will back up Wyman's data with my data: if there is a downside, I have yet to see it in 54,000 miles... original clutch too...
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Are the fancy EM oil caps for sale or shipping yet?

I dont think I saw them on the website?
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Old 07-11-2010, 09:09 PM   #88
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Are the fancy EM oil caps for sale or shipping yet?

I dont think I saw them on the website?
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Hi wymanwinn, I'm from Argentina.

Can you tell me how many cc. are between upper and lower level ??

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Hi wymanwinn, I'm from Argentina.

Can you tell me how many cc. are between upper and lower level ??

Thanks !!
A LOT...keep the oil to the very top, if not slightly over, of the sight glass...

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A LOT...keep the oil to the very top, if not slightly over, of the sight glass...

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To use Wyman's own pictures, a full fill is 2.5L (as stated on the engine). With 2L added, the window is about 2/3 full and at 1.5L it doesn't show in the window. Therefore, if you're at the bottom of the window, you're something like 800-odd ML low or close to a US Quart low or about 1/3 of the engine's oil is missing. As was stated above, A LOT. Follow Wyman's recommendations, I sure am. Rotella T for now until I reach around 5000KM/3000 Mi then Mobil 1 15-50.
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Can you tell me how many cc. are between upper and lower level ??
I measured this once during a fill on my bike and found it to be very close to 500 mL.
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Thanks for the heads up reminder. Went out and added 10 ounces to bring it up to the top of the glass. Still have a little bubble at top when upright but feel comfortable with having enough without worrying about breather blow back. Luuuuuuuuuuuuuuking Gooooood!!
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Personally I think this is all backwards. The manufacturer put the sight glass in that particular position to mark the proper level of oil the engine should have. When they recommend 2.5l they are giving a general suggestion on the amount of oil that might be needed to fill the engine but the sight glass is what you should be going by. If you put 2.5l in the engine and it was below the sight glass would you just assume it's ok because you went by what the manual suggests? Of course not and you shouldn't be doing that on the other end of the spectrum either.

My point? Always go by the sight glass or dipstick, not the suggestions in the manual.
Except that your point is wrong, because Kawasaki got the oil window level wrong, which is the point of this whole excercise.
This wasn't arrived at willy-nilly, both wymanwinn and Elden Carl of Top Gun motorcycles have observed and tested this theory and it has proven out. In fact, the observation of BOTH is that the recommended 2.5L IS correct, and the window is wrong.
For those who use the window, Elden recommends that you shim the bike to 5 degrees off vertical on the kickstand and fill to the very top of the window, so that a small bubble is visible, if you don't want to or don't have a measure cup.
No assumptions here, this has been tested by several different people.
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Fully agree. The volume required by the engine is set out in the engine design. The position of the site glass is put in to match that volume. Someone goofed....and it happens....and the glass is lower than required....not by much...but enough. All I know is at my last oil change I put in the 2.5 litres (just used the hach marks on the 4litre jug) and I did not spit any oil out of the breather and I never had to add a drop of oil, even after many trips at highway speeds.....thats a first. When I drained it I measured the oil out and got back about 2.4 litres (again using my waste jug to measure....really need to get a measuring cup). Not bad concidering I was usually adding 400 to 600 mls between oil changes.

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I have changed my oil at least a dozen times on my 08. Always drain it for about 30 minutes with a fully warmed up motor (Until the radiator fan kicks on). I have always changed the filter with the oil. Every time I have put 2.5L in as measured in a pitcher I have marked like Wyman does. Never had a problem with oil in the air-box/filter. Oil level is above the sight glass. Mine does burn oil, so as soon as it dips below the top mark on the sight glass, I add about 350 cc's as marked on the same pitcher, takes it at least to the top of the sight glass. Bike runs at the same temp is has since the day I bought it.
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the Hot run level is about 200ml more at 5,500 rpm, than the 2.5 recomended making the cold fill amount 2.7 litres this I'v tested on the Dyno. Simply the engine will suspend about 200 ml when running so the sight glas is comfort item not an exact qty.
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I've been watching this thread off n on and now it is 7 pages & someone is saying I need to shim my KLR on the side stand to check the oil properly, when did that happen post #68??
IF my 09 is on it's sidestand and on my level garage floor what should the glass show?
In the past I've just been eyeballing 2.5L (2.6qt) out of my gal jug of Rotella.
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I've been watching this thread off n on and now it is 7 pages & someone is saying I need to shim my KLR on the side stand to check the oil properly, when did that happen post #68??
IF my 09 is on it's sidestand and on my level garage floor what should the glass show?
In the past I've just been eyeballing 2.5L (2.6qt) out of my gal jug of Rotella.
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